an inconvenient truth, ****

OK, here it is. THE documentary about the climate change. Some of you might remember the topic I once started in the environment section about US' blindness on this subject. Some of the answers I got had to do with "it isn't economically worth for big companies to take action" etc. I also concluded, that since I didn't get that many answers on the topic it isn't of big interest for a lot of members in here.

My question once again: Do the media in your countries, especially the USA and Australia, inform you about the reasons of the recent natural catastrophies? (This because the USA and Australia are the only countries that haven't signed the Kyoto Protocoll...)

Back to the movie: Al Gore spreads the message about the climate change in a way so that everyone can understand why the recent climatic happenings occure. He covers all aspects and doesn't leave a loophole to doubt any of the facts he presents in this movie. After seeing this movie you can't denie the fact that we are the reason the whole planet is suffering from floods, droughts, hurricanes, taiphoons, tornados, fires, winter storms and so on. There isn't a fact in the movie that gives you the chance to think he is exaggerating.

The only reason i didn't give 5 stars to this movie, is because in some parts of the movie it looks like an hommage to Gore. You don't have to like him, but you have to see the movie. You don't have to agree with the problem of the climate change before seeing the movie, but you will after seeing it.

Actions should have been taken yesterday and if you want your children to live on a beautiful planet with all its miracles and wonders, do something...

for more information about the movie visit www.climatecrisis.net...

I saw this a couple week ago.

It's shocking where we are heading as a species.

i think this film is more accurate than gore's attempt to frighten us into agreeing to green taxes and levys

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=the+...the+great+glob#

Global Warming Conclusively Debunked As Gore Calls For Carbon Tax

'The world is cooling, sea levels are falling, ice is spreading, there are fewer extreme weather events, and it was hotter 1000 years ago, yet the myth of global warming is providing governments the excuse to micromanage every aspect of our lives, with Al Gore now openly calling for a carbon tax on the energy we use.

Following the end of the Sun’s most active period in over 11,000 years, the last 10 years have displayed a clear cooling trend as temperatures post-1998 leveled out and are now plummeting. But such figures won’t deter the agenda of control freaks like Al Gore, who last night publicly called for a carbon tax to be imposed on the use of fossil fuels at a time when even middle class families are struggling to pay the bills as a result of a crippled economy, soaring oil prices and inflation

http://www.prisonplanet.com/global-warming...or-co2-tax.html

Doomed to a fatal delusion over climate change

'Rudd and Garnaut want to scare you into backing their plan to force people who produce everything from petrol to coal-fired electricity, from steel to soft drinks, to pay for licences to emit carbon dioxide -- the gas they think is heating the world to hell.

The cost of those licences, totalling in the billions, will then be passed on to you through higher bills for petrol, power, food, housing, air travel and anything else that uses lots of gassy power. In some countries they're even planning to tax farting cows, so there's no end to the ways you can be stung.'

http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0%2...25717%2C00.html

Energy Guzzled by Al Gore’s Home in Past Year Could Power 232 U.S. Homes for a Month

'In the year since Al Gore took steps to make his home more energy-efficient, the former Vice President’s home energy use surged more than 10%, according to the Tennessee Center for Policy Research ... In the past year, Gore’s home burned through 213,210 kilowatt-hours of electricity, enough to power 232 average American households for a month.'
http://tennesseepolicy.org/main/article.ph...?article_id=764

31,000 scientists reject 'global warming' agenda

'More than 31,000 scientists across the U.S. – including more than 9,000 Ph.D.s in fields such as atmospheric science, climatology, Earth science, environment and dozens of other specialties – have signed a petition rejecting "global warming," the assumption that the human production of greenhouse gases is damaging Earth's climate.

"There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane, or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate," the petition states. "Moreover, there is substantial scientific evidence that increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide produce many beneficial effects upon the natural plant and animal environments of the Earth."'
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE...ew&pageId=64734


Climate facts to warm to

'Catastrophic predictions of global warming usually conjure with the notion of a tipping point, a point of no return.
Last Monday - on ABC Radio National, of all places - there was a tipping point of a different kind in the debate on climate change. It was a remarkable interview involving the co-host of Counterpoint, Michael Duffy, and Jennifer Marohasy, a biologist and senior fellow of Melbourne-based think tank the Institute of Public Affairs. Anyone in public life who takes a position on the greenhouse gas hypothesis will ignore it at their peril.

Duffy asked Marohasy: "Is the Earth still warming?"

She replied: "No, actually, there has been cooling, if you take 1998 as your point of reference. If you take 2002 as your point of reference, then temperatures have plateaued. This is certainly not what you'd expect if carbon dioxide is driving temperature because carbon dioxide levels have been increasing but temperatures have actually been coming down over the last 10 years".'
http://nzclimatescience.net/index.php?opti...id=233&Itemid=1

Expert: 'We're brainwashing our children' about global warming
'William Gray, the well-known Colorado State University hurricane forecaster, routinely uses the annual National Hurricane Conference as a platform to bash global warming. In a statement to Florida Today, Gray argued that the scientific consensus on global warming is bogus — and "a mild form of McCarthyism has developed toward those scientists who do not agree" that mankind is in danger.

"We are also brainwashing our children on the warming topic. We have no better example than Al Gore's alarmists and inaccurate movie which is being shown in our schools and being hawked by warming activists with little or no meteorological-climate background," Gray wrote.'
http://blogs.usatoday.com/weather/2008/04/...t-were-bra.html

40 years ago, people were being frightened by claims of over-population. The result now is an aging population, an ever-declining birth rate, an influx of cheap labour and endangerment of the national state. Oh aye: Also a return to "rich get richer" and "poor get poorer" concepts of feudal years.

What are they hoping to accomplish with these claims of climate changes?
Mark me down as a sceptic!

i found this article in the ny times. gore must be so proud that his film has beared fruit

Pint-Size Eco-Police, Making Parents Proud and Sometimes Crazy

'Sometimes, Jennifer Ross feels she cannot make a move at home without inviting the scorn of her daughters, 10-year-old Grace and 7-year-old Eliza. The Acura MDX she drives? A flagrant polluter. The bath at night to help her relax? A wasteful indulgence. The reusable shopping bags she forgot, again? Tsk, tsk. “I have very, very environmentally conscious children — more so than me, I’m embarrassed to say,” said Ms. Ross, a social worker in Dobbs Ferry, N.Y. “They’re on my case about getting a hybrid car. They want me to replace all the light bulbs in the house with energy-saving bulbs.” Ms. Ross’s children are part of what experts say is a growing army of “eco-kids” — steeped in environmentalism at school, in houses of worship, through scouting and even via popular culture — who try to hold their parents accountable at home. Amid their pride in their children’s zeal for all things green, the grown-ups sometimes end up feeling like scofflaws under the watchful eye of the pint-size eco-police, whose demands grow ever greater, and more expensive.'

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/nyregion...gin&oref=slogin

Five-Star Green Hypocrisy

' Move over Al Gore. Swankier carbon charlatanism has come to town in the form of the World Wildlife Fund’s luxury getaway called "Around the World: A Private Jet Expedition." "Join us on a remarkable 25-day journey by luxury private jet," invites the WWF in a brochure for its voyage to "some of the most astonishing places on the planet to see top wildlife, including gorillas, orangutans, rhinos, lemurs and toucans." For a price tag that starts at $64,950 per person, travelers will meet at the Ritz-Carlton in Orlando, Fla. on April 6, 2009 and then fly to “remote corners” of the world on a “specially outfitted jet that carries just 88 passengers in business-class comfort.” “World class experts — including WWF’s director of species conservation — will provide lectures en route, and a professional staff will be devoted to making your global adventure seamless and memorable.” Travelers will visit the Amazon Rain Forest in Brazil, Easter Island, Samoa, Borneo, Laos, Nepal, Madagascar, Namibia, Uganda or Rwanda, and finish up at the luxury Dorchester Hotel in London'

http://junkscience.com/ByTheJunkman/20081009.html

I am no expert in this field. I want to know though, can't scientists do a controlled experiment to replicate what is going on in the earths atmosphere and at least draw some inferences from the results? Or would that be too complicated?
Sort of like what they attempted to do with the Hydron Collider on the issue of Big Bang, but perhaps not as expensive.

The consensus of the scientists is very clear about global warming and its causes. Those scientists (few) who have raised doubts are funded by the energy industry. Since the industrial revolution we're burning coal & petro, putting lots of carbon in the atmosphere. This has not been part of a natural cycle, so even if there is a pendullum (hot-cold) humans can give it a good push in one direction.

One way to know about the cycles of the environment and the parameters is to drill in miles-thick ice. They extract ice tubes with air/water/particulars of the atmosphere from times going back thousands of years.

It's like 98 doctors are telling you this is the treatment you should follow, but you choose the 2 who tell you to wait. But, the treatment now (even if they're wrong) is to result in a cleaner planet. But if they're right and you do nothing your children won't appreciate the bad effects of polution and global warming.

its not a few scientists that have rejected this consensus there are many and to say they are all funded by petrol companies is not true. al gore has made millions pushing this carbon scam yet people look at him like a great saviour someone that cares about the earth(i wonder who's funding mr goreand his gas guzzling limo). its a great way to introduce green taxes carbon tax and anyone who objects is looked upon in distgust and the media hype surrounding this is staggering. i posted a link to a documentary that was aired on uk channel 4 that gives more compelling evidence than gore's film.
perhaps the sun has more to do with global temperatures than carbon.

I follow you on this... definitely this part: "But, the treatment now (even if they're wrong) is to result in a cleaner planet."

Even if it won't have an effect on global warming, our soil, water and air will still be a lot cleaner. At least I hope so !

if they want a cleaner planet maybe they should stop bombing the hell out of it

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Founder of Weather Channel Slams Global Warming 'Frenzy'

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Lk8SSqc7ekM

Brew As You Are Told... Or How The Tea Bag Task Force is Targeting Your Office Kettle

'We've had the bin police - now meet the tea bag tyrants. In the latest initiative designed to make us more environmentally friendly, Government advisers are calling on businesses to appoint tea monitors to make sure staff don't overfill the kettle at work. The quango Envirowise is also telling workers to use teapots when making rounds of hot drinks and is calling for a return of old-fashioned tea urns.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10...ice-kettle.html

BBC Shunned Me For Denying Climate Change

'For years David Bellamy was one of the best known faces on TV. A respected botanist and the author of 35 books, he had presented around 400 programmes over the years and was appreciated by audiences for his boundless enthusiasm.Yet for more than 10 years he has been out of the limelight, shunned by bosses at the BBC where he made his name, as well as fellow scientists and environmentalists.

His crime? Bellamy says he doesn't believe in man-made global warming.'

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/69623

Protests As Carbon Permits Auction Raises £54m

'The Government provoked protests from campaign groups yesterday as it began Europe's first auction of carbon emissions permits but admitted that the proceeds would not necessarily be used to tackle climate change. Campaigners said that the Treasury's decision to put the proceeds into its coffers rather than ringfencing them for use in environmental projects plays into the hands of critics, who fear that the ETS will be treated as little more than a green tax.'

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/busi...icle5192585.ece

Cow Tax Proposal Would Threaten Agriculture Viability

'With the economy in bad shape and the possibility of a deep recession looming, the Environmental Protection Agency is proposing to levy new taxes—on cows and pigs,” American Farm Bureau Federation Director of Regulatory Relations Rick Krause told Wyoming Farm Bureau members at their annual meeting. Krause spoke in Sheridan on Nov. 7. “This is no laughing matter,” Krause said. “The cow tax and the pig tax are parts of a larger scheme by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to regulate greenhouse gases under the Clean Air Act. Under the proposal, if a state charged the “presumptive minimum rate” from the EPA, the cow tax would be $175 per dairy cow, $87.50 per head for beef cattle and a little more than $20 per pig,” Krause explained.'

http://www.wyfb.org/NewsFeeds.aspx?file=Li...=530&from=front

this would not have been possible without gore's film and the constant media hype regarding global warming. the people who implement such legislation do not care about the planet, they are concerned only with making money. thats why gore was so well rewarded for his efforts, legislation like this was the goal from the beginning

Prominent Scientist Fired By Gore Says Global Warming Alarm 'Mistaken'

'Award winning Princeton University Physicist Dr. Will Happer, who was reportedly fired by former Vice President Al Gore in 1993 for failing to adhere to Gore's scientific views, has now declared man-made global warming fears "mistaken."

"I am convinced that the current alarm over carbon dioxide is mistaken," Happer, who has published over 200 scientific papers, told EPW on December 22, 2008.'

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?Fus...e4-89c4f49995d2

Will Harper's research is funded by Exxon-Mobil. Make whatever you want out of this. Maybe he's honest and has interprated the data differently than the other scientists. I do want a debate and I do want to know. I don't have a stake in saying humans are responsible for climate change.... but I'm leaning towards this assumption right now.

Now, how do we make sense of this? We let the experts debate and we listen in. I do want Harper and other scientists to challenge the prevailing wisdom... this is what science is: replace a theory [not a hunch or an unqualified opinion] with a better one that offers a better explanation, supported by evidence.

Very few people actually understand Einstein's Theory of Relativity, but the scientific community accepts it as valid. If you think about it (assuming you know enough) it doesn't make intiutive sense, but it stands because it's been tested.

I'm going to try to be more precise from now on, instead of saying "global warming" to say "climate change"... Climate has changed and human beings have had a big impact on the environment. We do have to be more aware of our actions and how they affect our home.

Who could argue agaisnt the fact that we've polluted our home, and that many millions of people die because of this?

That's MY starting point.

this "glogal warming" farce has frozen everyone in the northeast USA & various parts in Canada. New Brunswick set a record for cold with i think -35 degrees C. On that same day parts of Sweden posted -37.7 degrees C. People there would welcome global warming. Lets not forget that some snow RECORDS were close to being broken in parts of Canada last year.. Sure all this due to climate change & global warming.

Other likely effects of global warming (other than "getting hot") include increases in the intensity of extreme weather events, changes in agricultural yields, modifications of trade routes, glacier retreat, species extinctions.

In January of 2006, the coldest weather in decades, accompanied by heavy snowfall and high winds in areas, occurred throughout Russia, Eastern Europe, and Scandinavia, leaving hundreds of people dead. Snow fell throughout Europe, even as far south as the Greek Isles or the Portuguese sea resorts, with record-setting snowfall and near-record cold in many areas.

So, I wouldn't necessarily call it a "farce". I would suggest people read a little more about what comprises "global warming" and how it will affect life on this planet.

Other likely effects of global warming (other than "getting hot") include increases in the intensity of extreme weather events, changes in agricultural yields, modifications of trade routes, glacier retreat, species extinctions.

In January of 2006, the coldest weather in decades, accompanied by heavy snowfall and high winds in areas, occurred throughout Russia, Eastern Europe, and Scandinavia, leaving hundreds of people dead. Snow fell throughout Europe, even as far south as the Greek Isles or the Portuguese sea resorts, with record-setting snowfall and near-record cold in many areas.

So, I wouldn't necessarily call it a "farce". I would suggest people read a little more about what comprises "global warming" and how it will affect life on this planet.

they have all their bases covered. it can be hot or cold.. it may rain or it may snow. What a joke. it depends on what the weather is & its all global warming

Not Green: Obama Inauguration Will Generate More than Half-Billion Pounds of CO2

'Here's an environmental impact story you're not likely to see in the mainstream media. Neither NBC's chief environmental affair correspondent Anne Thompson, nor ABC correspondent Bill Blakemore nor CBS "60 Minutes" correspondent Scott Pelley - all of whom have been eager over the years to expose so-called crimes against the environment - have rushed to report on the massive carbon footprint of the Obama inauguration.'

http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2...0115153728.aspx


i wonder what al gore makes of it all

Meat To Be Removed From Hospital Menus To Cut Carbon Emissions

'Patients could be forced to go without meat in hospitals under new NHS plans to cut carbon emissions.The plan to offer patients meat-free menus is part of a major new strategy to be announced tomorrow.

According to some experts, eating meat contributes towards global warming because of the chemicals sprayed on feed crops and the methane emitted by cattle and sheep.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11...-emissions.html

I think only ignorant people don't take care of their home... ie., the environment they live in. Look, the earth doesn't really need us, and it's been great at killing off species. 99% of all species have disappeared. Do you think humans are smart enough? For good measure, we're good at killing each other and don't have to wait for earth to kill us.

There is plenty of evidence that there has been a greater accelaration of EXTREME weather. Global warming doesn't necessarily mean warmth all over. Now regardless of global warming being caused (or aided) by humans, you know folks, this is the only place for us. And, 4/5th of the earh isn't really habitable. Either we do something about the environment, including finding alternative sources of energy or many of us will die... as they're already have been dying.


As for the cows emitting methane, I think several farms are implementing ways to use this for their energy needs. This is good news to me, because I like steak & burgers...

Sure, the inauguration produced CO2, garbage, and used all sorts of resources, including losts of money that could be used elsewhere. I'd rather have a president who is wasteful while performing his official duties, but he promotes (and funds) science, pushes for greener energy, less dependence on oil, and hopefuly give health care to tens of millions.

I'm guilty of buying music cds that used to come in those horrible big & wasteful packages. Was I a hypocrite in doing so while I advocated for "smarter" more eco-friendly packaging? Fortunately, this is happening already.

Al Gore and Venus Envy

'Al Gore has a new argument for why carbon dioxide is the global warming boogeyman -- and it’s simply out of this world.

Testifying before the Senate foreign Relations Committee on Wednesday with yet another one of his infamous slide shows, Gore observed that the carbon dioxide in Venus' atmosphere supercharges the second-planet-from-the-sun's greenhouse effect, resulting in surface temperatures of about 870 degrees Fahrenheit.

Gore added that it's not Venus' proximity to the Sun that makes the planet much warmer than the Earth, because Mercury, which is even closer to the Sun, is cooler than Venus. Based on this rationale, then, Gore warned that we need to stop emitting CO2 into our own atmosphere.'

http://junkscience.com/ByTheJunkman/20090129.html

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=XDI2NVTYRXU